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PostSubject: Trials Brake Setup   Mon Mar 17, 2008 11:48 pm

In trials braking is so important that it affects your confidence. Confidence to jump and know that your tire is going to stick. I've done my share of trusting my faulty mechanic, myself.

So far the most realistic brakes for us Pinoys are vees. One bad side about vees for Filipinos is that the fact we are not using frames with magura mounts with vee adaptors.

Case in point: Ali C is standing by his vee setup. But have you seen the power or lack of it in vee brake in vee ounts? The mere fact that the VBrake bosses are way inwards show the inefficiency of the design. Mahina sa ipit.

On the other hand, Benjo has the best brake setup so far sa nakita ko, lampas kay Mike Gensan pa.

Pagusapan natin ang brakesetup dito...

Newbies, huwag matigas ang ulo:

Pinagdaanan na ng marami ito, dati ako matigas ang ulo ayaw ko ibaba o ilapit sa grips ang levers ko sa full brakes. Bottom line ngayon yung brakes ko ganun na. Ano nangyari sa pagmamatigas ng ulo ko? e di nasayang ang oras ko. <--tawagin natin itong part na ito bilang: "*"

One finger braking *. There is only one type of braking sa trials. Setup your brakes na pwede sa one finger braking. Kung hindi kaya ng bike mech mo, lumipat ka sa iba. Kung di talaga kaya pag aralan mo. Kung di mo matutunan PM mo ako...

How do you address leverage and ipit ng middle finger?* Move the levers inwards so that your index finger slightly curves at kahit todo squeez ka ay di matatamaan ang middle finger mo. Dapat bago mo ma squeeze ng todo ay naka lock na brakes mo.

Nasetup mo na ang brakes mo pero di parin kumakapit? Check it out, dapat alang toe in o toe out nag pads, square dapat ang tama sa rims. *

Gusto mo the best pads, kaya bibili ka ng all weather na pads yung madaming compound katulad ng serfas...huwag na, sayang ang pera mo...the best trials pads na mura ay yung MOB ordinary all black pads. Kung kaya mo bumili ka ng trials pads talaga. *

Di parin kumakapit? Lagyan mo ng Tar* sparingly, ayaw mo kumapit ang brakepads sa rims guhit guhitan mo yung rims mo na parang rayos. Tapos ikalat mo sa pag rotate. Ngayong may Tar na yan tandaan mo nawawala ang preno kapag nabasa yan.

Saan nakkabili ng Tar? Sa hardware. Kung gusto mo pwede sa tubig mag grind ka. Pano mag grind saka na. gabi na e.

Kung may access ka sa trials brake pads at Magura o dengura ay mas maige unless purist ka sa vees. Ako sellout.
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PostSubject: Re: Trials Brake Setup   Tue Mar 18, 2008 12:55 am

ahyus to.... eh, pano kung naka disc? may mga nakikita kasi akong mga trials riders na naka front and rear disc brakes. pano kaya kumakapit yun ng parang vees with tar?
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PostSubject: Re: Trials Brake Setup   Tue Mar 18, 2008 6:53 am

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ahyus to.... eh, pano kung naka disc? may mga nakikita kasi akong mga trials riders na naka front and rear disc brakes. pano kaya kumakapit yun ng parang vees with tar?

Yes many nowadays prefers running discs especially there are trials frames that has strong disc tabs available now.

I for one has reached a level where I could pedal kick in sequence, pedal kick gap, pedal up on a disk setup and boy was it heavy. One thing I could notice was however I tighten my spokes there would always be a whipping effect of the bike. After planting the bikes tire on a gap, there is a noticeable extra "give" or a boing effect. (Since a disc brake grabs in the hub theres all that leverage)

Since I moved to rim brakes ofcourse it wasn't there anymore. What sucked big time was the fact that I needed to have my tires trued often.

As to disc setup make sure there is no squeel since it is a sign of misalignment, be careful most bike mech doesn't care enough to aligh your discbrake properly, its fine for xc but not for trials.

Assuming you did proper setup of braking contact and proper breakin. Make sure pads aren't leading on one side and trailing on the other. There should be a feeling of good grinding on the contact area. Kumakayod ba. Then you will have excellent grip.

I still had noticeable slip on my disk even though I consider myself excellent in setting up brakes. But ofcourse I was running hayes mechanical on my bike, I think if I had 8" hydraulic on my rear it would be different. I will try to lift some responses from the net about the thing. Anyway importante na didiscuss natin sya dito.
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PostSubject: Re: Trials Brake Setup   Tue Mar 18, 2008 9:51 pm

wag na matigas ang ulo...

sa una ka lang naninibago pero eventually less effort pala kung malalim ang brakes mo...

wag tumulad sa mga nagpo post dito para mas madali tayo matuto lahat para mas madami mas masaya...

bumili na kayo ng aspalto sa inyong suking hardware 30-35 pesos lang ang kalahating kilo taon mo na gagamitin yun...
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PostSubject: Re: Trials Brake Setup   Wed Mar 19, 2008 12:18 pm

Pat, tuloy mo naman yung topic mo about grinding rims. Just had an accident kagabi kse, tumihaya ako una likod.

I just want to have more confidence sa brakes ko. Para medyo fearless.
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PostSubject: Re: Trials Brake Setup   Wed Mar 19, 2008 12:58 pm

Grind eto ang video how to:



Anybody want to use my grinder is free to use it. Basta bili kayo ng bagong talim hehe, purol na yung akin e. hehe

Sobrang solve ako sa grind, dunno kung dahil sa di ko pa na pakain ang pads kaya ayaw o retarded lang ang grind ko kasi one way pero nung may konting tar yung grind ko the best.
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PostSubject: Re: Trials Brake Setup   Wed Mar 19, 2008 1:38 pm

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Pat, tuloy mo naman yung topic mo about grinding rims. Just had an accident kagabi kse, tumihaya ako una likod.

I just want to have more confidence sa brakes ko. Para medyo fearless.



Pre welcome to the club hehehe...alam ko pinapractice mo...pedal kick/hop no hehehe

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PostSubject: Re: Trials Brake Setup   Wed Mar 19, 2008 1:49 pm

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mexophilia wrote:
Pat, tuloy mo naman yung topic mo about grinding rims. Just had an accident kagabi kse, tumihaya ako una likod.

I just want to have more confidence sa brakes ko. Para medyo fearless.



Pre welcome to the club hehehe...alam ko pinapractice mo...pedal kick/hop no hehehe

Yes sir. Ang sakit sa likod. Nakakahiya pa kse natakot pati mga nasa Cherry foodarama kung ano nangyari sakin. Di ako kaagad tumayo, kse chinek ko muna kung buhay pa ako. Nyak.
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PostSubject: Re: Trials Brake Setup   Wed Mar 19, 2008 3:09 pm

Naka TAR ka ba nun? Ano ba brake pads mo?
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PostSubject: Re: Trials Brake Setup   Wed Mar 19, 2008 3:50 pm

Yes Pat naka Tar. Shimano pa yata yun eh, kasama pa yun nung nakipag swap ako. Daan ako mamya LBS for mob pads (kung may maabutan sana kse bukas sarado silang lahat). Tapos bukas grind ako.
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PostSubject: Re: Trials Brake Setup   Wed Mar 19, 2008 4:13 pm

MOB ordinary bilhin mo ha.
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PostSubject: Re: Trials Brake Setup   Wed Mar 19, 2008 5:37 pm

last question Pat, pino ba yung talim ng grinder o yung magaspang ng konti?
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PostSubject: Re: Trials Brake Setup   Wed Mar 19, 2008 5:42 pm

hehehe ganyan talaga pag di pa masyado ang balance...ako din sakit pa ng pigi...


baka di masyado makapit set up mo pre...ako din kasi naka tar nun pero semplang pa din...kasi nga mali ang set up ng preno...(I'll fix it na po) ehehehe

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PostSubject: Re: Trials Brake Setup   Wed Mar 19, 2008 6:45 pm

mexophilia wrote:
last question Pat, pino ba yung talim ng grinder o yung magaspang ng konti?

Isa lang ang klase ng talim pre, grinding disk tawag dun. Dalawang klase yunn isa cutting disc isa grinding. Tama si Tzard isang importante ay yung brake setup pre.

Pwede kita tulungan kung kailangan mo. Setup muna natin bago mo i consider i-grind. Unang una di mo na mabebenta ang rim mo hehe pangalawa dapat commited ka na sa rim mo although madaming beses ma grind yan (ang alex dx32 ay mga 50 grinds di umano) ay dapat gawin mo yun kung malapad na rims mo para wala ng solian hehe.
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PostSubject: Re: Trials Brake Setup   Wed Mar 19, 2008 9:56 pm

Grind nako agad Pat. Nung pina-align ko kse sa bike mech yung rims ko sa likod, nakita nla na may bingkong yung rim. Parang nayupi yung rim dati tapos binalik lang ang shape. Badtrip! Feeling ko di narin sya mabebenta someday. Might as well pagtripan ko na yung rim at i-grind at least medyo pumantay. Update kita bukas kung ano kinalabasan, I'll post some pics.

Kailangan ko ba muna tanggalin yung Tar na natira sa rim bago mag grind?
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PostSubject: Re: Trials Brake Setup   Wed Mar 19, 2008 10:01 pm

Di ko tinangal ok naman. Ang mali ko bro ay dapat pag flip ng rim para i grind ang isang side dapat opposite ang orientation pag grind kasi isa forward grind isa reverse grind if there is such a thing.
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PostSubject: Re: Trials Brake Setup   Thu Mar 20, 2008 2:35 am

nung nag grind ako nung saakin gamit ko e kamay lang, di katulad nung nasa video,
bumili ko ng pang file na medium, yung kikil kung tawagin nila, tas ni-grind ko sya vertically, ginaya ko lang tong picture na toh, hangang sa maging pareho....
as in ginaya ko talaga.....
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PostSubject: Re: Trials Brake Setup   Thu Mar 20, 2008 8:45 pm

Natapos ko na i-grind yung rims. I like it. Tested it and it was a blast. Very excited to use it tomorrow.
Thanks guys!
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PostSubject: Re: Trials Brake Setup   Thu Mar 20, 2008 10:08 pm

Ayos yan pre
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PostSubject: Re: Trials Brake Setup   Fri Mar 21, 2008 1:33 pm

Idea cool! gngwa p pla ung grinding.. bgo un ah... ngyn ko lng nlman.. astg! mlmang for v-brakes lng ung gnun nh? aq gmt ko dx-32 kso mech disc gmt q e.. hehe la lng nashare lng.. bgat pero mtbay Twisted Evil hahaha aun..
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PostSubject: Re: Trials Brake Setup   Fri Mar 21, 2008 1:35 pm

teka.. correct me if i'm wrong.. gngrind ung rim pra ms mkapit sa pads db? Question
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PostSubject: Re: Trials Brake Setup   Fri Mar 21, 2008 2:26 pm

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teka.. correct me if i'm wrong.. gngrind ung rim pra ms mkapit sa pads db? Question

Yes sir nakuha mo. pero more importantly ang grinded rim po kung walang tar ay pwede sa basa.
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PostSubject: Re: Trials Brake Setup   Mon Mar 24, 2008 10:02 pm

pag may tar at wet madulas? naghahanap ako dito samin ng tar(aspalto) wala kong makita. san ka ba nakakabili ng "tar"? at anu p b ibang tawag nun sa hardwer? baka kasi iba ng tawag nila dun.
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PostSubject: Re: Trials Brake Setup   Mon Mar 24, 2008 10:32 pm

Punta ka sa Hardware na kumpleto tipong nagbebenta ng black iron, etc. Tapos maghanap ka ng Aspalto / Tar. per kilo ang benta nyan. Sa akin bumili ako ng half kilo (P35, thirty five pesos!!!)

Parang kasing laki ng kalahating volleyball ang half kilo. Mga lifetime mo na gamitin yun haha
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PostSubject: Re: Trials Brake Setup   Mon Mar 24, 2008 10:38 pm

kam0t3 wrote:
pag may tar at wet madulas? naghahanap ako dito samin ng tar(aspalto) wala kong makita. san ka ba nakakabili ng "tar"? at anu p b ibang tawag nun sa hardwer? baka kasi iba ng tawag nila dun.

Oo madulas. Sa weekend baka mag tao ako sa Metropolis Mall gusto mo kita tayo? Hmmm nakaw kaya ako ng ride hehe

Bigyan kita ng Tar
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