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PostSubject: Rigid or suspension fork?   Wed Jul 30, 2008 10:32 am

Newbie here. I am trying to learn some basic trials move. And I am trying to setup my stock bike for it.
Here is my current bike setup.

1. Generic alloy frame, generic suspension fork(travel around 80mm), generic and headset. (bought my cheap bike in cartimar)


http://www.trials-online.com/images/geometry.jpg
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I have measured my frame and geometry of frame is exactly the same as in the picture.
2. FSA DH handlebar 710mm wide.
3. Cane Creek Direct Curve Brake Levers
4. Cane Creek Direct Curve 3 Rim Brake
5. Shimano Deore SL-M530 Rapidfire Plus Shifters - 9-Speed (Rear Shifter)
6. RaceFace Ride XC 22t-32-44t. (planning to remove 44t and replace it with a bashguard. Dunno where to buy.)
7. Wheelset - Shimano Deore Hub, 7-speed cassette, rims(don\'t know the brand, but it has a sticker \"Girder XC OCR\")
8. Serfas Gator 2.0\" Tires (Front and Rear)
9. No Front Derailer and Shifter

From what I see in forums and images of a stock trials bike, they are using a rigid fork(except for RL and JLo stock bike). I am planning to buy a new fork.
I am considering Surly 1x1 Rigid fork(1kg,suspension corrected-80mm) and RST GILA Suspension Fork w/ Lockout(2.5kg).
Fork price is almost the same, around Php 3000-3500. No budget for a pricy suspension fork, like Fox, Rockshox, or Marzocchi, which I think weigh less thant the RSTs.

Which fork should I go? I will mostly ride urban, and maybe if I learn jump up to curbs, benches, etc.[left]


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PostSubject: Re: Rigid or suspension fork?   Wed Jul 30, 2008 2:01 pm

Dude biased kami sa forum sa rigid fork hehe.

Ok naman ang build mo pero sooner or later kailangan mo ng fatter tires. I would go for the surly 1x1 rigid fork. Ok sya at 1kg. My rigid fork is around 850grams.

Main reason is to be able to ride smoother at less weight.

Sama ka sa amin sa rides pre.
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PostSubject: Re: Rigid or suspension fork?   Wed Jul 30, 2008 2:48 pm

yeah my vote is surely 1x1 also...mas magaan, mas madali hatakin pataas

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PostSubject: Re: Rigid or suspension fork?   Wed Jul 30, 2008 3:52 pm

rigid.Smile

sa umpisa masakit sa braso, but once you get the hang of it, you wont go for a suspension fork anymore.

for starters, rigid would be the best choice. to be able to practice the moves easier. since it wont bob. especially doing an endo move. mas direct ang impact sa arms mo, and trials is about muscle memory, so di confusing, kasi di nagbabago ang height ng fork mo. para rin masanay ka na mag compensate sa pag absorb ng impact, hence, being one with the bike.

isa pa, kung low budget fork mo, mabuti pang wag nalang. di ka rin kasi matutuwa sa results.Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Rigid or suspension fork?   Thu Jul 31, 2008 2:06 am

kung ayaw mo muna gumastos kalikutin mo muna ang current fork mo at ilagay sa pinakamatigas na setting na kaya mo using elastomers... tapos igsian mo na rin kumbaga naka compressed siya para matigas tapos at least naka parallel sa ground ang chainstay mo in other words mga zero drop/rise ang BB height mo...

pero kung may pera ka rin lang mag rigid ka na...

pero nakakamiss ang suspension fork shet namimis ko yung fork ko haaaay.... oh well...

sana mag enjoy ka at mahalin mo rin ang trials kagaya namin...

ika nga ng master patrick sama ka sa mga rides para ma hooked ka hehehe...

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PostSubject: Re: Rigid or suspension fork?   Thu Jul 31, 2008 8:52 am

Salamat po sa mga reply nyo.

Then I should go for the surly fork.

One of these days makiki-ride ako sa inyo.

Im from Filinvest Cainta. San ba usually ang meeting place nyo?
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PostSubject: Re: Rigid or suspension fork?   Thu Jul 31, 2008 10:21 am

Basta sa una pre mga aadjust ka pa nyan. Expect mo na sasakit ng konti ang wrists mo at mumurahin mo kami hehe

Ako dati at si Joolz hindi nag adjust dahil sobrang tigas ng suspension fork namin. Nung nag rigid ako wala na. Na-feel ko yun na ang setup ko. Sobrang solid ang pihit ko etc.
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PostSubject: Re: Rigid or suspension fork?   Thu Jul 31, 2008 3:29 pm

ayus! cainta, malapit sa UP!!! tara!!! hehehe check mo directory. text mo ako ha!!! hehehe
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PostSubject: Re: Rigid or suspension fork?   Thu Jul 31, 2008 7:36 pm

dud, makinig ka kay pat. mag rigid ka na para masanay yung mga kamay mo kaagad.
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PostSubject: Re: Rigid or suspension fork?   Mon Aug 04, 2008 11:56 pm

ako sinubukan ko pareho... i tried both sides of the coin, nag suspension at nag rigid para alam ko kung anu ang nawawala sakin hehehe...

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PostSubject: Re: Rigid or suspension fork?   Tue Aug 05, 2008 10:47 am

para hindi masyado pressure sa wrist mo, medyo lambutanko ang front tire mo, para mag bounce lang at siya ang kumain ng impact

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PostSubject: Re: Rigid or suspension fork?   Tue Aug 05, 2008 8:55 pm

lean back lng! hehe..
hindi talaga maiiwasan sumakit ang wrist, kya tangapin na lng ang sakit. mawawala din yan o masasanay ka. hehehe..

tsard - ako hindi pwede malambor ang harap, tutupi ang gulong ko. 221 lng rim ko sa harap. hehhe...
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PostSubject: Re: Rigid or suspension fork?   Wed Aug 13, 2008 10:30 am

hahaha XC ka sa harap hehehe..ok yan mas magaan iangat..ingat ka nga lang sa pag wheelswap at iba pang front moves kasi baka bumigay agad hehehe

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PostSubject: Re: Rigid or suspension fork?   Tue Aug 19, 2008 9:45 am

nakabili na ko rigid fork. pero ndi surly, masyado kc maiksi un surly, bumaba un BB nun ni fit.

I bought a fireeye stoker, I think its heavier than the surly 1x1.

yup, for XC nga ata un rims ko. still saving to upgrade to stronger and wider rims.

Pics of my bike:




nakalimutan ko pala i-lower un seatpost bago kinuhanan ng pic. hehehe!

sana matuto na ko!!!

one more question, how do you shorten the length of your chains?
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PostSubject: Re: Rigid or suspension fork?   Tue Aug 19, 2008 3:03 pm

kailangan mo ng chain cutter tool. kung wala ka, paputol mo sa Local bike shop mo. ano ba plano mo sa chain rings mo? single o 3? kung babawasan mo kasi ang chain, mabuti pang alisin mo na yung biggest chain ring. o kaya naman, single speed mo nalang.
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PostSubject: Re: Rigid or suspension fork?   Tue Aug 19, 2008 5:31 pm

plano ko rin tanggalin un dalawang malaking chain ring, tinanggal ko na rin kc un FD ko.

Pero ndi ko pa tinatanggal kc naghahanap pa ko ng bashring e.
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PostSubject: Re: Rigid or suspension fork?   Tue Aug 19, 2008 9:25 pm

ah. ok yan. tapos mag UP ka narin. hehe...
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PostSubject: Re: Rigid or suspension fork?   Tue Aug 19, 2008 10:37 pm

yeah SS mo na lang mas magaan pa...bro astig ang v brake mo ah..anong brand yan?

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PostSubject: Re: Rigid or suspension fork?   Tue Aug 19, 2008 10:39 pm

mukhang cane creek...
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PostSubject: Re: Rigid or suspension fork?   Tue Aug 19, 2008 10:49 pm

pwede ata iyan..parang gusto ko mag vbrake sa harap

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PostSubject: Re: Rigid or suspension fork?   Tue Aug 19, 2008 11:03 pm

ganda ng pork brads ayus!!!!

ako hindi naman sumakit ang mga wrist ko nun lumipat nako sa rigid...

pre ok ang 221 sa harap kahit low pressure lang look at me hehehe buo pa hanggang ngayun ang 221 ko hehehe...

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PostSubject: Re: Rigid or suspension fork?   Tue Aug 19, 2008 11:21 pm

tama joolz, aero dynamic pa..teka yun nga ba yung model na yun?

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PostSubject: Re: Rigid or suspension fork?   Wed Aug 20, 2008 8:41 am

rolie wrote:
plano ko rin tanggalin un dalawang malaking chain ring, tinanggal ko na rin kc un FD ko.

Pero ndi ko pa tinatanggal kc naghahanap pa ko ng bashring e.

Malabo ka makahanap ng bashring sa LBS na pang 22T, pm mo si Joolz sa chainring nya. Sa ngayon tangalin mo yung 42T moo tapos lipat mo yung 32T mo sa labas. Gamit ka ng shims sa likod o nilagaring tubo ng antenna or mga washers.
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PostSubject: Re: Rigid or suspension fork?   Wed Aug 20, 2008 9:18 am

un vbrakes ko, tama po cane creek nga, direct curve 3, may bago atang model na direct curve 5, d ko sure kung merong ganyan vbrakes d2 pinas. pinabili ko kc yan sa tito nun umuwi sya d2 galing states.
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PostSubject: Re: Rigid or suspension fork?   Wed Aug 20, 2008 10:26 am

ahhganun ba..sayang ganda pa naman ng itsura

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