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PostSubject: mtb rear hub plus cassette/ss vs. bmx rear hub plus freewheel   Sun Jun 01, 2008 2:30 am

hello. gusto ko lang i bring up etong topic na to sa forum. actually, nakatxt ko na si patrick and other davao riders regarding this. at least dito makikita ng lahat ang advantages at disadvantages ng bawat isa.

naranasan ko kasi na masiraan ng rear hub habang nagppractice. nakakalungkot at gastos pa. gamit ko shimano 475 hubs. nasira yung sa may pawls.... nabali tapos kumadkad dun sa mga ngipin sa loob ng hub habang nagpepedal kick.

naisipan ko na mag dabomb hs na hub kaya lang may trauma na ako kac baka masira ng wala sa oras. kakayanin kaya ako nun? may ibang hub pa ba kayo na marerecommend na nasa price range ng head spins na matibay?

naisipan ko din magtry magbmx hub tapos freewheel. sa ganitong setup kasi pag nasira ang freewheel, yun lang papalitan mo nde kagaya ng mtb na papalitan mo lahat. problema ko lang is wala akong makitang magandang freewheel na ppwede dito sa province. puro china, mob, at suntour freewheels. san kaya jan sa manila na lbs meron? at anong brand ang maganda?

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PostSubject: Re: mtb rear hub plus cassette/ss vs. bmx rear hub plus freewheel   Sun Jun 01, 2008 8:15 am

Unang una pre ang mahirap kasi sa mga mid end at low end hub ay walang scientific test na ginagawa kasi hindi nila nilalagyan ng claim ng maximum torque na kaya nung hub. Sana meron at ng magka alaman kung alin ang matibay.

Nabangit mo na heavy weight ka...unang problem mo dyan sa tingin ko ay hindi mo pa nakuha ang timing din ng lundag at sipa na typical sa nagsisimula, OR malakas ka na sumipa na ibig sabihin ay alam mo na ang timing pero yun nga malakas ka na sumipa.

Ngayon sa solution, kung gusto mo mag BMX hub ay pwede mo i try... merong mga casette type at threaded type. Ang isang problema sa BMX hub ay kung ordinary type kukunin mo na threaded ay nasa freewheel ang lahat ng tibay na aasahan mo pagdating sa sipa.

Pagdating sa landings may problema ka din dahil sa maiksing spacings ng bmx hub at malayong spacing sa frame mo masyado magkalapit ang bearings mo. Sa kabilang banda ay mura lang naman yun. Makakabili ka na ng high end freewheel at threaded hub sa halagang P5T siguro c/o Dyani sa freewheel.

Ngayon kung mag MTB hub ka ang options mo ngayon sa budget mo ay: fire eye (4bearings), dabomb (3 bearings) pero so far nakita ko yung Saint panalo din hanap ka ng narrow Saint I think panalo na yun. Gamit ni Ryan Leech ata Saint hub na.

Ah decisions, decisions, decisions.
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PostSubject: Re: mtb rear hub plus cassette/ss vs. bmx rear hub plus freewheel   Sun Jun 01, 2008 9:12 am

Ei Pat, So yung Saint na gusto ko pwede? hehehe excited tuloy ako...

Raimun, tama si Pat, isang option mo ay fireeye o headspin..pero kung gagastos ka din ng 5k for the BMX set up, suggestion ko mag ringlé ka na lang..yung katulad ng gamit ni Benjo...or kung mura talaga, Sabi ni Jay merong XT na 1.5k lang sa Paulina

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PostSubject: Re: mtb rear hub plus cassette/ss vs. bmx rear hub plus freewheel   Sun Jun 01, 2008 11:12 am

Meron pa daw nung XT, kung 4 ang pawl nun panalo na kasi doble ang torque na kaya kesa sa shimano na nasira mo pre.

Tzard di pwede yung 150mm OLD sa bike natin kasi 135 mm dapat, nakita ko na yung link.
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PostSubject: Re: mtb rear hub plus cassette/ss vs. bmx rear hub plus freewheel   Sun Jun 01, 2008 11:18 am

mga sir, may nabibili ba na ringle rear hub lang?
just asking...

Im looking around to replace my shimano 475 rear hub kasi eh.

So far, Da bomb HS & fire eye SS hub lang ang nakita ko within price range. cyclops
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PostSubject: Re: mtb rear hub plus cassette/ss vs. bmx rear hub plus freewheel   Sun Jun 01, 2008 1:07 pm

@alvin

alam ko meron. rear lang binili ni ojneb, 5.5k ata. di ko maalala. confirm mo nalang sa kanya sir.
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PostSubject: Re: mtb rear hub plus cassette/ss vs. bmx rear hub plus freewheel   Sun Jun 01, 2008 5:18 pm

thanks zteg43! cyclops
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PostSubject: Re: mtb rear hub plus cassette/ss vs. bmx rear hub plus freewheel   Sun Jun 01, 2008 6:51 pm

Alvin, si Benjo yung kasama ko last NR na nakasama kita...7T ata kuha nya layaway...meron pa sa cycle option isang piraso. Kilala mo naman si Ef di ba? Andun sya nagtatrabaho.
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PostSubject: Re: mtb rear hub plus cassette/ss vs. bmx rear hub plus freewheel   Sun Jun 01, 2008 9:25 pm

wow!
P7k! affraid

hmmm... limited budget. harharhar

thanks pat! afro
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PostSubject: Re: mtb rear hub plus cassette/ss vs. bmx rear hub plus freewheel   Mon Jun 02, 2008 12:05 am

Raimun - ganyan nangyrai sa Shimano 475 ko, bigla na lang na stock-up. yung DaBomb HS matibay kaso mabigat. ngayon xt gamit ko, sana tumagal at kayanin yung style ng laro naten.
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PostSubject: Re: mtb rear hub plus cassette/ss vs. bmx rear hub plus freewheel   Mon Jun 02, 2008 12:16 am

tingin ko kakayanin iyan..kasi si RL gumamit din ng XT bago nag XTR at Saint...

sayang talaga yun Pat pero try ko pa din..kung pwede...baka hindi lang alam nung nagbebenta kasi mura lang e..hehehhe

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PostSubject: Re: mtb rear hub plus cassette/ss vs. bmx rear hub plus freewheel   Mon Jun 02, 2008 1:48 am

uy salamat sa mga suggestions.

sa ngayun tinatry ko bmx+freewheel. ako na magtetest neto for trials hanggang matapos ang june. titignan ko kung anu ano ang masisira during this period. tama si pat. masyado makipot ang spacing ng bearings kaya palagi kong checheck ito.

yung unang freewheel na gamit ko eh china brand 18t 72clicks (mala pang pedicab na freewheel). one day lang may rattling sounds na pero maganda pa din engagement. pag nasira to papalitan ko naman ng suntour brand na gawang japan daw 16t 40clicks. yan kasi yung mga available dito samin. nagpahanap na ako ng acs sa kapatid ko jan sa manila.

baka fire eye na ang bilin ko sa july. balik cassette type. hehehe... gagawa na lang ako ng isa pang rear wheel, may naka stock na dx32 pa dito na nabili ko nung pag uwi ko jan sa manila nung may.
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PostSubject: Re: mtb rear hub plus cassette/ss vs. bmx rear hub plus freewheel   Tue Jun 03, 2008 11:25 pm

update lang.

yung suntour na 16t nasira within 2 hours of trials riding. nagcrack yung mga ngipin. bumili na lang ako uli nung china brand na 18t. upto now nag-eengage pa din cya pero pangit na tunog nya pag freewheeling.

for the cassette hubs... ano mas maganda? fire-eye or yung dabomb headspin? any reviews dun sa fire-eye hubs?
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PostSubject: Re: mtb rear hub plus cassette/ss vs. bmx rear hub plus freewheel   Wed Jun 04, 2008 5:01 pm

Ang narinig ko, parehong 24 engagement...da bomb headspin 3 sealed bearing ang fieeye 4 sealed bearing

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PostSubject: Re: mtb rear hub plus cassette/ss vs. bmx rear hub plus freewheel   Wed Jun 04, 2008 6:21 pm

so far, parang di pa ata ako nasiraan ng rear hub... dpende ata sa practice at bigat ng isang rider... yung sa akin, gamit ko dati sa stock is downhill hub na disc ready...
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PostSubject: Re: mtb rear hub plus cassette/ss vs. bmx rear hub plus freewheel   Thu Jun 05, 2008 2:05 am

oo nga eh, nikko. parang mas matibay yung fire eye. meron na ba jan sa manila gumagamet nyan for trials?


hehehe... tama ka jervy. depende talaga sa rider weight. kelangan ko magpapayat. 200lbs ako ngayun at kailangan ko magbawas ng 30lbs para umeksakto sa bmi ko. hahaha.
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PostSubject: Re: mtb rear hub plus cassette/ss vs. bmx rear hub plus freewheel   Thu Jun 05, 2008 12:35 pm

Isang secret dyan ay kung gaano ang chain wrap ninyo o gano ka dami ang naka engage na ipin ng cog sa freewheel para mapingas yung ipin ng cog, tulad ng nangyari kay Meck
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PostSubject: Re: mtb rear hub plus cassette/ss vs. bmx rear hub plus freewheel   Thu Jun 05, 2008 5:08 pm

yeah tulad nung kay meck..hehehe

Raimun wala pang nag fe sa mga nagtatrials dito..pero mga streeter meron na..ang pinakamagandang hub so far ay yung kay Pat..

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PostSubject: Re: mtb rear hub plus cassette/ss vs. bmx rear hub plus freewheel   Thu Jun 05, 2008 7:25 pm

yung ck ni pat? syempre. hehehe. wala pa palang gumagamet ng fire eye. naku... nangangamba na naman ako. eh, di bale... sa july pa naman ako bibili. magbabago pa isip ko. hahaha.
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PostSubject: Re: mtb rear hub plus cassette/ss vs. bmx rear hub plus freewheel   Thu Jun 05, 2008 8:06 pm

yeah CK ni Pat..kung may makita kang ringlé na mura yun na lang kunin mo o kaya hope..meron pa ako nakita dati sa pmtb na magura front and rear mga 4500 ata yun pero gamit na...xc lang ata ang may ari...

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PostSubject: Re: mtb rear hub plus cassette/ss vs. bmx rear hub plus freewheel   Thu Jun 05, 2008 8:49 pm

Oo nga. Gaya nung saken. Sabihin nyo na kse guys na ang taba ko kse. Hahahaha

Anyway, nag work saken yung chainwrap na yan. Pinaltan ko lang from Fireeye tensioner to a 2pivot tensioner ng DaBomb. Ayuz!

Yung kay Pat, maganda setup. Maganda maginvest ka na sa ganung hub para minsanan nalang. Magastos din kse mag trial-en-error.
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PostSubject: Re: mtb rear hub plus cassette/ss vs. bmx rear hub plus freewheel   Thu Jun 05, 2008 9:41 pm

mexophilia wrote:


Yung kay Pat, maganda setup. Maganda maginvest ka na sa ganung hub para minsanan nalang. Magastos din kse mag trial-en-error.

Tama si meck...
Ako kung may pambili ako ng CK or may hulugang ganun, yun nalang binili ko, eh wala ang cycle opts. nun e, Tune lang tsaka Ringle... Eh Ringle yung pinaka subok na sa baragan kaya yun ang hinulugan ko....
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PostSubject: Re: mtb rear hub plus cassette/ss vs. bmx rear hub plus freewheel   Thu Jun 05, 2008 11:28 pm

magkano yung ringle, onjeb? hehehe, hirap talaga pag naadik. tsk tsk tsk. hay, kelangan talaga pag ipunan.

sa ngayun yung mga nagddh dito puro dabomb gamit kaya alam ko na kaya nya ang abuse ng dh pero iba pa din ang abuse ng trials kasi aside from sa mga drops eh meron pang kicks. so, 3 na hubs na titignan ko sa july... ringle, fire eye at dabomb.

pano pala yung chain wrap?

regarding pala sa freewheel test... ok na ko sa tag P45.00 na freewheel. may rattling sounds na cya pag freewheeling pero nag eengage pa din. hahaha....
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PostSubject: Re: mtb rear hub plus cassette/ss vs. bmx rear hub plus freewheel   Fri Jun 06, 2008 9:22 pm

Yung chainwrap ay yung dami ng ipin ng cog na nakakapitan ng chain. Habang bumababa o humahaba ang chain mo ay nababawasan ang actual na dami ng ipin ng cog ang nakakapitan ng chain. Ang epekto nito mas malaking pwersa ang napupunta sa bawat ipin ng cog na nakakapitan ng chain.

Nung napipingas ang cog ni meck dati ay 5 lang ang ipin nakinakapitan ng chain nya, sa akin ay 9 ang ipin na kinakapitan nung huli ako mag check.
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PostSubject: Re: mtb rear hub plus cassette/ss vs. bmx rear hub plus freewheel   Fri Jun 13, 2008 9:07 am

update lang. nakabili na ko ng da bomb na rear hub kaya lang nde ko pa nakakabit. yung bmx hub ko passed away kahapon, sinabayan si rudy sa libingan. tsk tsk tsk. so far naka 5 sprocket changes ako dun sa hub na yun.

back to cassette hub na naman. hehehe. praktis uli mamaya Very Happy
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