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PostSubject: Loosing the stem lock   Wed Apr 02, 2008 10:37 pm

I've decided to loose weight and free my mind from misconceptions...

I'm testing riding without stem locks hehe

I've removed something like this:



(sossy yan amoeba lang sa akin)

In favor of this:



kamukha lang hehe

Hindi ko isasacrifice ang moves ko basically tulad parin ng dati let see kung may pinagkaiba nga.

Kasi ang prinsipyo ko ay psychological lang ang security na binibigay ng stemlock. Imagine mo kung mabali ang steerer mo...kung naka stem lock ka ay naka grip ka pa na pipihit ang bars mo, at kapag naka star nut ka ay mabubunot ang steerer mo, assuming maputol pareho.

Sa buong buhay ng pag ride ko ay hindi pa ako naka crack o nakabunot ng cryofit ng fork, at hindi pa ako naka rinig ng naputulan ng steerer na steel sa lugar natin.

So bahala na hehehe
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PostSubject: Re: Loosing the stem lock   Thu Apr 03, 2008 12:30 am

ok lang yan pat, I also had the same notion before pero dito walang gumagamit ng stem lock, maski mga DH /Freeride guys, so I removed mine and natawa sila sa brand nung stem lock ko hehehe "ameoba" kasi eh hehehehe parang food poisoning daw ang dating hehehe
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PostSubject: Re: Loosing the stem lock   Thu Apr 03, 2008 12:38 am

kaya lang minsan as in minsan lang naman sa kaka front wheel moves dimo pansin lumuluwag yung headset... so kailangan mo ng stem lock pang "press" on the spot hehehe

nangyari na kasi sakin yan this month lang nagbabalak narin kasi ako mag tanggal ng stem lock parang katulad ni martin makita mo kahit yun flower at takip hindi niya ikinabit...

yun stem lang talaga at steerer ang magkakabit wala ng iba...

at nakapagpaputok na pala ako ng 2 stemlock sa mga drops noon pero matagal na yun...

wala namang nangyari nun pumutok yun stem lock nag pop lang pero iniisip ko kung anu kaya nangyari kung wala akong stemlock noon time na yun may maapektuhan ba sa bike ko?

hindi ko talaga alam eh basta play safe lang ako observe ko si pat...
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PostSubject: Re: Loosing the stem lock   Thu Apr 03, 2008 12:41 am

sa isang banda kahit mabigat ang stem lock convenient kapag papalit palig ka ng fork...

wala na yung seremonyas ng pukpok pukpok para ilipat sa kabilang fork (kasi hindi ka nakabili sa bikeshop nasarhan kana pero gusto mo mag ride sa umaga kaya kinakalikot mo yung bike mo ngayung gabi hehehe)
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PostSubject: Re: Loosing the stem lock   Thu Apr 03, 2008 9:36 am

@Joolz

Usually pre kung lumuluwag ang starnut ay mag problema sa starnut. Oneway lang ang starnut.

Nakita ko sa mga pumuputok ang stem lock ay over tightened ang stem lock at bumubuka sa ilalim. Na obserbahan ko sa Pilipino ay may kultura na "PMTB" pagdating sa pyesa. Usually over sa tibay.

Kulturang "PMTB" examples:

1. Gumagamit ng double crown (not for the looks, you are excused if you want a DH "look") dahil sa tibay, usually prefering Jr. T's over Z1FR ish frames. Using double crown on Giant AC's again the look is excused but not excused in void of warranty nung bago pa ang frame na ito. What they don't know ay opposite nag nangyayari, imbes na matibay ang bike ay mapuputol ito sa toptube eventually.

2. Gumagamit ng madaming spacers para mabenta ang fork ulit usually mga 3 inches of spacers (upgrade lang ng upgrade di naman ginagamit ang pyesa). Excused dito ang naka internal-cup headset (Integrated ika nga ng mga tindera ng LBS, di nila alam na semi-integrated ito o internal-cup headset). Kasi kung naka chucker ka ay pang chucker nalang ang fork mo hehe.

3. Gumagamit ng DH bars for XC dahil baka ma harkor nya yung Hbars habang nag XC sa road.

4. Bibili ng Parker pang XC dahil beefed up (di dahil sa price).

... at madami pang iba hehe

Basically ganito pre, tanungin mo si Armand Mariano kung naka stemlock sya sa bike na pang backflip, flair etc nya. I doubt may stemlock sya. Teka tatanungin ko nga sya.

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Sa pagpalitpalit ng fork ay spot on ka, napakadali magpalit at mag recycle ng lock sa paggamit ng stemlock. Ito na experience ko kasi maya't maya palit ako ng palit pero over all naisip ko dapat bawat fork ay paired ng isang starnut at cap. Over all naka tipid naman ako...pero kung bibili ako ng pyesa para gumaan ang bike ko mas sulit na tangalin ko ang stemlock hehe.


Anyway isa palang principle na ina apply ko dito ay: "A chain breaks at the weakest link"

at ang weakest link ko ay ang: XC stem, Fork (not once not once nag crack), at ofcourse my aluminum FOF HBar. ah not to mention the gay fitting of the steel steerer at the aluminum part of the fork.

Disclaimer: Basically i'm not asking anyone else to follow me, its a personal thing ha. So its at your own risk. momaru!
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PostSubject: Re: Loosing the stem lock   Thu Apr 03, 2008 2:33 pm

Pat I'm using Starnut, be sure to lubricate it lang always kasi pag tumagal nagkakaalikabok at kung nagride ka ng umuulan, maputik...kaya pag nilinis ko ang bike ko, pati ang loob ng steerer tube linis ko din

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PostSubject: Re: Loosing the stem lock   Thu Apr 03, 2008 2:55 pm

Pat:

im using starnut almost 1 year na, ok naman no problems or issues involved mostly street riding lang..i think kaya naman ng starnut ang purpose nya kun trials/street pero kun Dirtjump & DH mas ok ata yon amoeba stemlock... yon ibang dirt jumpers starnut lang din gamit..

may starnut/w hard rubber cap not alloy mas magaan ata yon?

if you notice most bmxers walang kahit anong lock sa stem Laughing

pero i still have the ameoba headlock naka tago for future use......

Pat Ot: mag hollowtech cranksets ka para magaan.. ano cranks gamit mo?
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PostSubject: Re: Loosing the stem lock   Thu Apr 03, 2008 3:03 pm

chi wrote:
Pat:

im using starnut almost 1 year na, ok naman no problems or issues involved mostly street riding lang..i think kaya naman ng starnut ang purpose nya kun trials/street pero kun Dirtjump & DH mas ok ata yon amoeba stemlock... yon ibang dirt jumpers starnut lang din gamit..

Yes Chi...yung friend kong nag d DJ sa fairview naka starnut lang...xa nga nag suggest sa kin na yun na lang ang gamitin, magaan na, mura pa

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PostSubject: Re: Loosing the stem lock   Thu Apr 03, 2008 7:15 pm

@Chi

Naka shimano accera ako na cranks. Incase palit ako ng cranks baka mangarap na ako ng tryalls cranks or echo CNC cranks with katay bashring yung one side lang talaga.


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So far ay wala ako makita prob sa setup na ito lets see soon kung may maiba.
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PostSubject: Re: Loosing the stem lock   Fri Apr 04, 2008 1:50 pm

OT:

Pat:

ok, malaki rin kasi gagaan ng bike if lightweight yon cranksets, kaya ko hollowtech ayaw ko ng 3pc cromo cranks for street..


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PostSubject: Re: Loosing the stem lock   Fri Apr 04, 2008 1:57 pm

di pa rin on topic...

Chi yung hollowtech nga pala hindi kakasya sa frame ko...kahit lahat ng spacers sa driveside ilalagay ay tatama pa din ang 22T sa chainstay yoke ko hehe.
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PostSubject: Re: Loosing the stem lock   Fri Apr 04, 2008 3:12 pm

patrick wrote:
di pa rin on topic...

Chi yung hollowtech nga pala hindi kakasya sa frame ko...kahit lahat ng spacers sa driveside ilalagay ay tatama pa din ang 22T sa chainstay yoke ko hehe.

ot pa din.

ah ok, so dapat ata talaga mag trials-specific cranksets ka na lang..
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PostSubject: Re: Loosing the stem lock   Fri Apr 04, 2008 8:01 pm

Ito Chi ang magandang cranks at bash combo:



Syempre the sex pa din ang middleburn cranks
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PostSubject: Re: Loosing the stem lock   Fri Apr 04, 2008 8:03 pm

ito pa close up:



Trialtech ang bashring, titanium ata yan?
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PostSubject: Re: Loosing the stem lock   Fri Apr 04, 2008 9:22 pm

well, ako kasi nakatulong sa akin ang stemlock. nabali ko ang steerer during a drop. then di ko alam na ganun. akala ko nag bottom out lang ang suspensions. nung nag bunnyhop ako, natuluyan na. kung wala akong stemlock, malamang ubos na ipin ko. luckily, 3 pa lang ang bungi ko. hahaha!(sa harap)

tama nga, ride at your own risk. kung feel mo ok lang wala yun, no problem.

depende rin kasi sa fork yun, at sa riding skills. especially on bailing out.

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sana may thread din dito re bailing out.
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PostSubject: Re: Loosing the stem lock   Fri Apr 04, 2008 9:42 pm

pre nung nabali ang steerer mo, pumihit ba yung bars mo?
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PostSubject: Re: Loosing the stem lock   Fri Apr 04, 2008 10:18 pm

hindi. kasi hawak pa ng stemlock. malamang pwede mangyari yun kung wala ako nung stemlock. kasi pipihit yung steerer. basta biglang hinto ako, parang napatid effect. at makatupi papasok ang fork ko. sabay gulong ako parang ramon zamora. hehe
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PostSubject: Re: Loosing the stem lock   Fri Apr 04, 2008 10:28 pm

Medyo natakot ako jan Dyani ah. Ayaw ko panaman mwalan ng ngipin sa harap. Ang malupit pa nyan, naka starnut lang ako all the time. Ngayon ko lang narinig yang stemlock. Hmmmmm?
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PostSubject: Re: Loosing the stem lock   Fri Apr 04, 2008 11:04 pm

hehe. ride at your own risk. Twisted Evil

anyway, kung bad day talaga, bad day talaga. hekhekhek...
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PostSubject: Re: Loosing the stem lock   Sat Apr 05, 2008 10:51 am

the stem lock will really depend on your riding style, if medyo extreme riding stem lock amoeba type, if mostly street or trials starnut will do pero tama nga sila "ride at your own risk".


OT:
ganda talaga pag small gears/cog linis and minimalist yon dating Cool Pat order ka na nyan to match your cris king hubs.
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PostSubject: Re: Loosing the stem lock   Sat Apr 05, 2008 11:05 am

di ako pwede magstarnut, oblong na steerer tube ng pork ko e. hehe. kahit anong gawin kong weight reduction sa bike ko mabigat pa din. pwera na lang kung mag-Ti spokes, Ti spindles ako. cheap lang ako. Razz
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PostSubject: Re: Loosing the stem lock   Sat Apr 05, 2008 7:51 pm

Kaya pa yan ewik, magaan na saddle para gumaan hehehe

Chi, malinis nga pero mahal yung trial tech hehe Inisip ko parang cranks nalang ni Benjo ECHO forged, bash at 18T.
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